ence. To keep things simple, we take the reference nevertheless. Jay Fenlason wrote: > there's no way for the core to tell cdev "this card is gone, > kill any inbound transactions on it", while cdev holds the transaction > open until userspace issues a SEND_RESPONSE ioctl, which may be a very, > very long time. But when it does, it calls fw_send_response(), which > will dereference the card... > > So how unhappy are we about userspace potentially holding a fw_card > open forever? While termination of inbound transcations at card removal could be implemented, it is IMO not worth the effort. Currently, the effect of holding a reference of a card that has been removed is to block the process that called the pci_remove of the card. This is - either a user process ran by root. Root can find and kill processes that have /dev/fw* open, if desired. - a kernel thread (which one?) in case of hot removal of a PCCard or ExpressCard. The latter case could be a problem indeed. firewire-core's card shutdown and card release should probably be improved not to block in shutdown, just to defer freeing of memory until release. This is not a new problem though; the same already always happens with the client->device->card without the need of inbound transactions or other special conditions involved, other than the client not closing the file. Signed-off-by: Stefan Richter ­ίΓ®–{x